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	<title>Comments on: The InnoCentive Insider:  &#8220;Strange&#8221; Challenges</title>
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		<title>By: Eugene Ivanov</title>
		<link>http://blog.innocentive.com/2009/04/07/the-innocentive-insider-strange-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-8436</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I suspect you took my post way too serious.  In real research -- as in real life -- there is no clear borderline between black and white, known and unknown, possible and impossible.  If we all knew answers to our questions in advance -- or even knew in advance whether our questions have answers at all -- there would be no reason to do research in the first place.  There would be no reason, either, to have you or me (in my &quot;scientific&quot; past).

Why are you surprised that the Seekers are using InnoCentive (and thus you, our Solvers) to do what you call &quot;advanced research&quot;?  Of course, they are.  Otherwise, what is the point of going outside their R&amp;D departments and spending money on &quot;external&quot; sources?  Do you really believe that our clients charge us with their easiest problems while keeping the most daunting (&quot;that have no solutions&quot;) for themselves?  It&#039;s the other way around!  InnoCentive is alive and growing (and growing fast) exactly because time to time -- admittedly, less often than I&#039;d like to -- we bring to &quot;the DOW’s and P&amp;G’s of the world&quot; solutions to the problems their own researchers have long proclaimed &quot;unsolvable.&quot;  

Like it or not, the only way to know whether the problem is &quot;solvable&quot; or &quot;unsolvable&quot; is to try solving it.  I&#039;m unaware of other means.  Are you? 

I&#039;ll hardly disclose any secret by saying that not every InnoCentive challenge gets solved.  Well, you know this already from your own record -- very successful one -- as our Solver.  Just compare 4 challenges that you&#039;d solved so far (am I correct here?) with the total number of challenges you worked on.  And many of the challenges that you haven&#039;t solved remained unsolved.  Is there any need to invoke &quot;corporate games&quot; here?  I don&#039;t think so.

InnoCentive IS the new way of doing things.  Our clients pay for success, not for try.  And, yes, they think big when thinking success.  Picking &quot;easy&quot; problems to provide 100% solution rate isn&#039;t my way of defining the latter.  

Naturally, I&#039;ll be happy to continue this discussion.

Best Regards,
Eugene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I suspect you took my post way too serious.  In real research &#8212; as in real life &#8212; there is no clear borderline between black and white, known and unknown, possible and impossible.  If we all knew answers to our questions in advance &#8212; or even knew in advance whether our questions have answers at all &#8212; there would be no reason to do research in the first place.  There would be no reason, either, to have you or me (in my &#8220;scientific&#8221; past).</p>
<p>Why are you surprised that the Seekers are using InnoCentive (and thus you, our Solvers) to do what you call &#8220;advanced research&#8221;?  Of course, they are.  Otherwise, what is the point of going outside their R&amp;D departments and spending money on &#8220;external&#8221; sources?  Do you really believe that our clients charge us with their easiest problems while keeping the most daunting (&#8221;that have no solutions&#8221;) for themselves?  It&#8217;s the other way around!  InnoCentive is alive and growing (and growing fast) exactly because time to time &#8212; admittedly, less often than I&#8217;d like to &#8212; we bring to &#8220;the DOW’s and P&amp;G’s of the world&#8221; solutions to the problems their own researchers have long proclaimed &#8220;unsolvable.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Like it or not, the only way to know whether the problem is &#8220;solvable&#8221; or &#8220;unsolvable&#8221; is to try solving it.  I&#8217;m unaware of other means.  Are you? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll hardly disclose any secret by saying that not every InnoCentive challenge gets solved.  Well, you know this already from your own record &#8212; very successful one &#8212; as our Solver.  Just compare 4 challenges that you&#8217;d solved so far (am I correct here?) with the total number of challenges you worked on.  And many of the challenges that you haven&#8217;t solved remained unsolved.  Is there any need to invoke &#8220;corporate games&#8221; here?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>InnoCentive IS the new way of doing things.  Our clients pay for success, not for try.  And, yes, they think big when thinking success.  Picking &#8220;easy&#8221; problems to provide 100% solution rate isn&#8217;t my way of defining the latter.  </p>
<p>Naturally, I&#8217;ll be happy to continue this discussion.</p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
Eugene</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kruer</title>
		<link>http://blog.innocentive.com/2009/04/07/the-innocentive-insider-strange-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-8407</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Kruer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugene:

WOW!  You are scaring me with this post!!!!

You write:  &quot;I know that the Challenge has no solution.  And so does the Seeker!&quot;

Are you suggesting here that sometimes the Seekers are simply USING us to do their advanced research with little expectation of ever paying an award?  

You write:  &quot;No solutions this time?  All right, let’s wait for another couple of years.&quot;

This statement implies that we have a very good chance of working for free while the Seeker waits for the technology to catch with our creativity.  Ouch!   This may not be a problem with altruistic challenges and some Solvers, but will result in lost trust in the fairness of the relationship if allowed to continue by the DOW&#039;s and P&amp;G&#039;s of the world.

You go on to write:   Seeker &quot;collected all the submissions, entered his boss’ office and dropped the whole package on his table.  His boss has never raised this topic again.&quot;

I sincerely hope the Seeker was kidding.  Again, I suspect that we all have better things to do with our time than be an unknowing party to someone&#039;s internal corporate political games. InnoCentive is supposed to be the NEW way of doing things.  I am really not interested in being a pawn in the old paradigm and also hope you were appalled by this &quot;story&quot;.

In conclusion.... I don&#039;t know whether to criticize the Seekers, or abandon the Open Source process, or admit a misunderstanding of the intent in the statements above, so I will wait for your explanation. 

Tom Kruer
Destroyer of &quot;blue walls&quot; and builder of out-of-the-box mosquito traps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene:</p>
<p>WOW!  You are scaring me with this post!!!!</p>
<p>You write:  &#8220;I know that the Challenge has no solution.  And so does the Seeker!&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you suggesting here that sometimes the Seekers are simply USING us to do their advanced research with little expectation of ever paying an award?  </p>
<p>You write:  &#8220;No solutions this time?  All right, let’s wait for another couple of years.&#8221;</p>
<p>This statement implies that we have a very good chance of working for free while the Seeker waits for the technology to catch with our creativity.  Ouch!   This may not be a problem with altruistic challenges and some Solvers, but will result in lost trust in the fairness of the relationship if allowed to continue by the DOW&#8217;s and P&amp;G&#8217;s of the world.</p>
<p>You go on to write:   Seeker &#8220;collected all the submissions, entered his boss’ office and dropped the whole package on his table.  His boss has never raised this topic again.&#8221;</p>
<p>I sincerely hope the Seeker was kidding.  Again, I suspect that we all have better things to do with our time than be an unknowing party to someone&#8217;s internal corporate political games. InnoCentive is supposed to be the NEW way of doing things.  I am really not interested in being a pawn in the old paradigm and also hope you were appalled by this &#8220;story&#8221;.</p>
<p>In conclusion&#8230;. I don&#8217;t know whether to criticize the Seekers, or abandon the Open Source process, or admit a misunderstanding of the intent in the statements above, so I will wait for your explanation. </p>
<p>Tom Kruer<br />
Destroyer of &#8220;blue walls&#8221; and builder of out-of-the-box mosquito traps</p>
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